From: | Neil Foster <neil.foster@newcastle.edu.au> |
To: | Jason W Neyers <jneyers@uwo.ca> |
obligations <obligations@uwo.ca> | |
Date: | 31/12/2021 00:29:20 UTC |
Subject: | Re: [New post] Vicarious Liability of Bishop for abuse committed by clergy |
Dear Jason;
Thanks for your detailed reply, my friend. I beg to differ, however.
I concede that there are some cases recognising vicarious liability for employees
pro hac vice, though very few. But since the logic of that analysis is that they
are in fact employees, I don’t think this is an exception to the general principle that VL usually (apart from the other 3 minor categories) arises in an employment relationship. In other words it is the employment category, not a formal “contract of
employment”, that satisfies the stage 1 test.
You suggest that priests are not best classified as “independent contractors”. But I disagree. Under Australian law at the moment there are only two “pigeonholes” into which someone
can be placed if they do paid work. One is employee; if that is excluded, the person is an independent contractor. North and Bromberg JJ put it this way in
Fair Work Ombudsman v Quest South Perth Holdings Pty Ltd [2015] FCAFC 37 at [173]:
The divide between employee and independent contractor appears to be binary. In Australia, no third category has yet been recognised by the law to describe
the worker and none is apparent. That means that the worker will either be an employee or an independent contractor.
The idea of a “representative agent” as a third category drawn from
CML, as attractive as it sounds in theory, was explicitly rejected in Sweeney as well as in
Scott v Davis [2000] HCA 52 and Hollis v Vabu Pty Ltd (2001) 207 CLR 21 over the clear articulation of the idea by McHugh J in dissent in both the earlier cases. So, despite the apparent oddity of saying so, I have long thought that clergy under
Australian law are formally independent contractors where they receive a stipend or some other payment in connection with their work.
All the best for the New Year!
Regards
Neil
NEIL FOSTER
Associate Professor, Newcastle Law School
College of Human and Social Futures
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From:
"jneyers@uwo.ca" <jneyers@uwo.ca>
Date: Thursday, 30 December 2021 at 11:36 pm
To: Neil Foster <neil.foster@newcastle.edu.au>, "obligations@uwo.ca" <obligations@uwo.ca>
Subject: RE: [New post] Vicarious Liability of Bishop for abuse committed by clergy
Dear Neil:
Thank you for the post and the information about the case. I do not share your confidence that the result will ultimately be overturned if it is appealed up to the HCA since I do not
think that the result is as contradictory to cases (such as Sweeney v Boylan Nominees Pty Ltd) as you claim. I say this for two reasons. First, your list of the relationships to which vicarious liability is possible is incomplete since Australian law
has long recognized vicarious liability for borrowed servants or servants pro hac vice which means that the existence of a contract of employment is not a touchstone for the relationship necessary for the doctrine. Second, in light of this I think that your
classification of a priest as an independent contractor is conclusory and counter-intuitive—just because priests do not have contacts of employment does not make them independent contractors ipso facto, otherwise servants pro hac vice would be excluded. Moreover,
I think it reasonable to assume that, to paraphrase the words of Lord Aktin, in Australian law there must be, and is, some general conception of relations giving rise to vicarious liability, of which the particular cases found in the books are but instances.
Whatever that generalization is, my gut reaction is that priests fall within it.
If pushed I would argue that the generalization is “representative”, which is quite consistent with Dixon’s observations in
Colonial Mutual Life Assurance Society Ltd v Producers and Citizens Co-Operative Assurance Co-Operative of Australia Ltd where he distinguished between the types of relationships to which vicarious liability did and did not obtain:
The work, although done at his request and for his benefit, is considered as the independent function of the person who undertakes it, and not as something
which the person obtaining the benefit does by his representative standing in his place and, therefore, identified with him for the purpose of liability arising in the course of its performance. The independent contractor carries out his work, not as a representative
but as a principal.
Happy New Year everyone!
Jason Neyers
Professor of Law
Faculty of Law
Western University
Law Building Rm 26
e. jneyers@uwo.ca
t. 519.661.2111 (x88435)
From: Neil Foster <neil.foster@newcastle.edu.au>
Sent: December 30, 2021 5:50 AM
To: obligations <obligations@uwo.ca>
Subject: FW: [New post] Vicarious Liability of Bishop for abuse committed by clergy
Dear Obligations colleagues;
I have an interest in “law and religion” issues and as part of a blog I run on that I have posted on a recent decision from Victoria finding a Roman Catholic Bishop vicariously liable
for abuse committed by a priest. I think the decision is wrong as a matter of Australian law (it would be probably uncontroversial at the moment in the UK.) Those who follow vicarious liability may find it of interest. It also has some comments on non-delegable
duty and I have linked to a “pre-print” version of a chapter I wrote a few years ago on the topic which may also be of interest.
All the best to all for a Happy New Year!
Regards
Neil
NEIL FOSTER
Associate Professor, Newcastle Law School
College of Human and Social Futures
T: +61 2 49217430
E: neil.foster@newcastle.edu.au
Further details: http://www.newcastle.edu.au/profile/neil-foster
My publications: http://works.bepress.com/neil_foster/ , http://ssrn.com/author=504828
Blog: https://lawandreligionaustralia.blog
The University of Newcastle
Hunter St & Auckland St, Newcastle NSW 2300
Top 200 University in the world by QS World University Rankings 2021
I acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of the land in which the University resides and pay my respect
to Elders past, present and emerging.
I extend this acknowledgement to the Worimi and Awabakal people of the land in which the Newcastle City campus resides and which I work.
CRICOS Provider 00109J
From: Law and Religion Australia <donotreply@wordpress.com>
Date: Thursday, 30 December 2021 at 9:23 pm
To: Neil Foster <neil.foster@newcastle.edu.au>
Subject: [New post] Vicarious Liability of Bishop for abuse committed by clergy
neilfoster posted: "
In a decision handed down just prior to Christmas, DP (a pseudonym) v Bird [2021] VSC 850 (22 December 2021), a judge of the Victorian Supreme Court ruled that the Roman Catholic Bishop of the Diocese of Ballarat could be sued as vicariously
liable for c"
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